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TheJANG
12.28.08, 7:26 pm
Update 2/19/2010: The project is now complete. See the full info, including final photos and a VIDEO at:

http://www.ultimaterc.com/projects/minitaur/ (http://www.ultimaterc.com/projects/minitaur/)



Background:

This project began in 2003 as the world's first 540 BL-powered Mini-T. With an unbeatable amount of power at birth, I quickly christened the project as the "Ultimate Mini-T" and started the long process of modifying the rest of the vehicle to match the insanity of the motor. Lucky for me, the Mini-T itself was a brand new release, so aftermarket support was non-existant, giving me tons of opportunities to innovate.

I modified two Associated Micro VCS shocks (from an 1/12th pan car) and two GPM touring car shocks to set up the very first proper-fitting full oil suspension seen on one of these trucks. I followed this up with one of the first (if not the first) proper-fitting servo upgrades with a modified Airtronics 94091 "super micro" unit, which would later become a very popular upgrade when Airtronics itself released a conversion kit. Knowing traction would be a problem with the big powerplant, and also just following the general "bigger is better" theory, I went to work on a wheel/tire solution. Clever use & modification of adapters allowed me to put a set of 2.2" buggy tires all around, mounted to HPI buggy wheels up front (made for Kyosho cars) and Super Nitro rears. The net result was... interesting?

http://www.ultimaterc.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/norm_smash_tires.jpg


Obviously the proportions were completely wack. A lot of measurement & sketching, and several prototypes later, and I had a very nice 5-piece carbon fiber & Delrin chassis conversion installed, extended by an inch and capable of holding a 6-cell side by side battery pack right along the centerline like a 1:10th scale.

http://www.ultimaterc.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/norm_side.jpg


After adding some aluminum bits and mounting all of the electronics (the white thing is a BEC), I had a complete, working, awesome little truck.

http://www.ultimaterc.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/norm_040711%20020.jpg

Unfortunately, two problems lingered. First, the KAN 1050mAH 2/3 A cells weren't going to be able to deliver the juice the big BL motor could drink up. I addressed that problem by doubling them up with this unique 10-cell brick (http://www.minioffroaders.com/minit/battery.jpg) hardwired as two 5-cell packs in parallel. That fit very nicely in the battery compartment and allowed the truck to hit 31mph on a test run, pulling wheelies at nearly any speed, even with all of that weight to contend with.

The second problem seemed like a whole lot of nothing at first, but it would prove unbelievably daunting, throwing the whole project into a major crisis. The issue was the body. There was simply nothing that would fit. I first did up a Micro RS4 pickup body, and while that "fit," it didn't fit. See for yourself (http://www.ultimaterc.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-1229). There was no way I could brand something as a complete "Ultimate" project if it didn't look good, no matter how it performed. Eighteen months would pass before I overcame this obstacle and touched the truck again.

The wheelbase of the body I chose, which I promised not to show until it's mounted, was slightly longer than even my extended chassis accomodated, so I had to tear things apart in the shop yet again. This round of updates yielded this (http://www.minioffroaders.com/minit/ultimate/060811-mini_t-001.jpg) new main chassis plate, augmented by two vertical plates arching over the new low-cg battery layout, which you can see in place here (http://www.minioffroaders.com/minit/ultimate/070415-mini-t-013.jpg). A little more cleverness and some painstaking filing & soldering work yielded a battery terminal setup that allowed me to use the two packs in either parallel or series by just flipping one around -- no adapters required.


Update 12/28/08!

I decided on a body in March of 2006. As of this writing, it's almost 2009. Motor system and battery technology readily available to hobbyists has improved by leaps & bounds since I started this truck, and I've finally broken down & convinced myself to let go of the original constraints of the project and get with the times.

The big 540-sized motor has since been used in the 1/8th scale \BACKSLASH (http://www.ultimatetraxxas.com/projects/backslash/), and it won't be making its way back into the Mini-T. Instead, I'll install my appropriately-sized mini Mamba system (Mamba 25 controller, 6800kV 20mm motor), and power it with a single lipo battery pack that weighs less than half as much as the NiMHs.

e owner
12.28.08, 8:03 pm
interesting to say the least.. I never actaully looked at the UMT project page,,

I've got one thing to add though..
if your still going with those huge tires you might want to use a motor like the hyperion long can, or a premax. (long 300 to short 400 sized)

M3mph1s
12.28.08, 10:21 pm
Hmm, room for MMM onboard? :rollin:

bow3022
12.29.08, 1:14 am
Hmm, room for MMM onboard? :rollin:

:rollin:

Adidas
12.29.08, 3:35 am
So basically you took a Mini and turned it into an Ultimate 1:12 scale, nice!

stampede_dude
12.29.08, 5:41 am
He went through so many diffs trying to get that Lehner motor to work, I'd be scared to run anything hotter than a 280 brushless in a mini t. They are very weak and slow until you dumped some good money into them. I remember buying a brand new chassis and it cracking because I "overtightened" a screw. As you can see, there are almost more custom made parts on the MiniTaur than Losi parts. Given they had to be for the bigger motor, but it's just a really weak platform.

casper35
12.29.08, 8:16 am
drool :)
that looks just fantastic, I mean were did you get the blue fiber.The chassis is clean, and the whole car looks like it came like that.

TheJANG
12.29.08, 9:08 pm
Blue fiber came from the old Art's Hobby, now defunct :( Probably still shows up on eBay from time to time.

Update

Got the electronics "wing" of the chassis trimmed down since it's no longer needed, and reassembled the truck. I left room for mounting the NiMHs "just in case" for the future, and because I put so much darn work into making the original setup :p

I also picked out a lipo pack (one I already had 2 of) and made a minor mod to the rear chassis brace to fit it very snugly. A top brace, which may double as an electronics tray, will be finished up next, and I'm almost ready to work on body mounts as well.

Adidas
12.30.08, 5:07 am
Oh man, looks amazing! Are those..... Ultimate Street Sport wheels?

TheJANG
12.30.08, 10:18 am
Not literally the same ones, though the two rears on the table were taken directly off the U.SS :) Effectively the same though -- SS stock front wheels, Super Nitro rears. The Street Sport had the Kyosho SuperTen rear tires, which are softer. This one's running Super Nitro tires, I think "D" compound, so as not to have *too* much traction (yes, there is such a thing!).

M3mph1s
12.30.08, 1:09 pm
Not literally the same ones, though the two rears on the table were taken directly off the U.SS :) Effectively the same though -- SS stock front wheels, Super Nitro rears. The Street Sport had the Kyosho SuperTen rear tires, which are softer. This one's running Super Nitro tires, I think "D" compound, so as not to have *too* much traction (yes, there is such a thing!).

Nonsense. :rolleyes:
http://www.marshu.com/images-website/collection-pictures/car-wrecks-crashes-accidents/car-wheelstand-kenny.jpg

TheJANG
12.30.08, 2:10 pm
:lol: Looks like this project truck the first time I tried driving it. I need to see if I can find that footage...

M3mph1s
12.30.08, 3:10 pm
There's video?!?

Post or ban. :D

Adidas
12.30.08, 4:17 pm
Ah ok, basically the same setup but not the actual same wheels. Cool, will be watching this thread closely:ninja:

TheJANG
1.26.09, 12:09 am
Update

Good progress this week, passing the most traumatic psychological barriers I've had on this project in its 5+ year history. First was the battery hold-down. The rear of the lipo pack was already held down by a shaped section in the rear chassis parts, keeping it from going back or up. Up front, I needed to keep it from sliding forward or popping up. First went down a vertical strut about 3/8" forward of the battery, made from an old T-Maxx bellcrank axle. This is attached to the chassis with a single 3mm countersunk screw. To keep the cells from impacting this narrow strut and denting in the event of a head-on collision, I shaped a piece of Delrin to make a wide barrier, and notched it to fit snugly around the strut on the forward side. Onto this I attached a carbon fiber plate with a hole in it. This plate holds the front of the pack down and doubles as a receiver deck. The whole assembly is then kept in place with one 3mm caphead screw with a shaped washer. When you remove that one screw, the whole plate comes up, with the receiver and the delrin forward retainer.

The next big deal was setting up the body mounts. I ended up using parts from an old janky BRP Mini-T extended body mount kit, but I flattened and re-shaped the main pieces to suit my needs (a heat gun softens the plastic easily). At the rear I mounted old Traxxas Street Sport / 4-TEC front body posts. Up front, I wanted to widen the base for stability and also to match holes that were pre-drilled into the body I had bought. This took some trial and error, but I ended up with what you see in picture #3 below, using a flat bracket made of Lexan scrap from the Ultimate Street Sport's front splitter.

And finally, the mega-motor is out and an appropriately-sized Mamba 6800 is in! All of the extra lower chassis material at the rear remains on purpose -- an axle will be attached and it will become a wheelie bar!

Incredible to think that this thing is actually coming to fruition. I need to touch up the body (it was painted when I bought it), then it'll be time for the big reveal!

Jim511
1.26.09, 7:31 am
Wow, I thought you gave up on this project years back, looks great though! Cant wait to see what kinda body youre throwing on it.

M3mph1s
1.26.09, 4:10 pm
Jang, I absolutely love every single one of your builds! No matter what, you have an amazing attention to detail. You don't know all the tricks in the book, your wrote it! If it's not in the book, your wing it, and it still comes out great.

Semi Pro
1.26.09, 11:15 pm
wow jang, looks trick

DaBomB StamPeDe
1.27.09, 3:51 pm
I like new motors. I wanna go fast.

allanmathews
1.27.09, 6:08 pm
Jang i think you desirve all your complment's maybe stampede_dude doesn't get enough... Anyways i have watched this one for a while it is amazing and that is the truth ...(i cant way to see the image i get....)
Keep up the awsome work!